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MensajeTema: 5 Ptas 1957 *59   Jue 18 Jun 2015 - 12:42

Hello,
I have a 5 Ptas coin of 1957 *59 with a inverted reverse ( revrso girado 180º or Medal Alignmenent).
I made some researsh and I could not find another coin like this one and for some people this is a unique 5 Ptas coin in this condition.
Could you help about some more information on this extreme rare coin.
At moment I have no photo but soon as I get a photo with a mirror I will post it
Thank you.
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MensajeTema: Re: 5 Ptas 1957 *59   Jue 18 Jun 2015 - 13:44

It could be an error. A rare one, there are some with the reverse inverted 45º and 90º. But it's the first time I hear one with 180º...

A photo colud help :clin
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MensajeTema: Re: 5 Ptas 1957 *59   Sáb 20 Jun 2015 - 17:10

Hello. I toke some photos, I hope that can show this very rare coin.
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MensajeTema: Re: 5 Ptas 1957 *59   Sáb 20 Jun 2015 - 18:29

Interesting... :ok
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MensajeTema: Re: 5 Ptas 1957 *59   Sáb 20 Jun 2015 - 22:00

Interesting indeed. But any idea about its rarity?
I any one there that can give more information about this rare coin?
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MensajeTema: Re: 5 Ptas 1957 *59   Miér 24 Jun 2015 - 15:51

Any more ideas?
It is impossible that people do not like a coin like that.
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MensajeTema: Re: 5 Ptas 1957 *59   Vie 26 Jun 2015 - 11:46

Hello, Can anyone tell where I can sell this rare coin, like an auction in Spain?
Thank you.
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MensajeTema: Re: 5 Ptas 1957 *59   Vie 26 Jun 2015 - 13:33

damas7 escribió:
Hello, Can anyone tell where I can sell this rare coin, like an auction in Spain?
Thank you.

You can ask Áureo or Soler & Llach:

- https://www.aureo.com/

- https://www.soleryllach.com/soler4/inicio

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MensajeTema: Re: 5 Ptas 1957 *59   Vie 26 Jun 2015 - 14:59

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damas7 escribió:
Hello, Can anyone tell where I can sell this rare coin, like an auction in Spain?
Thank you.

You can ask Áureo or Soler & Llach:

- https://www.aureo.com/

- https://www.soleryllach.com/soler4/inicio

:ok

Thank you.
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MensajeTema: Re: 5 Ptas 1957 *59   Lun 29 Jun 2015 - 16:57

Hello Pavofrito, I contact the auctioners that you gived the name and one said that it is not a rare coin but they did not said if they sow another before, the other said that it has no interest to them.
I supose that if the coin was in their hand it wouls be great find and a rare coin to sell...
But there isn`t...
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MensajeTema: Re: 5 Ptas 1957 *59   Lun 29 Jun 2015 - 17:09

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Hello Pavofrito, I contact the auctioners that you gived the name and one said that it is not a rare coin but they did not said if they sow another before, the other said that it has no interest to them.
I supose that if the coin was in their hand it wouls be great find and a rare coin to sell...
But there isn`t...

Well, that is a very bad new... :snif

Those are the most known Auction Houses in Barcelona. There are more, maybe you can ask also to that ones:

- http://www.ibercointienda.com/

- http://www.jesusvico.com/numismatica.php

- http://cayon.com/
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MensajeTema: Re: 5 Ptas 1957 *59   Lun 29 Jun 2015 - 17:47

Thank you. The question is not they accept or refuse to sell the coin, the truth is they do not have a coin like that but they do not want to sell the coin. This is notv a rare coin??
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MensajeTema: Re: 5 Ptas 1957 *59   Lun 29 Jun 2015 - 20:32

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MensajeTema: Re: 5 Ptas 1957 *59   Lun 29 Jun 2015 - 23:32

Well, you know, it is always a market question...
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MensajeTema: Re: 5 Ptas 1957 *59   Lun 29 Jun 2015 - 23:57

Lo que si es cierto, es que van camino de ser las 5 pesetas 1957*59, con más visitas de la historia del foro, y eso que está en "modernas" y no en "contemporáneas". :piensa
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MensajeTema: Re: 5 Ptas 1957 *59   Jue 2 Jul 2015 - 21:37

Jdvalle escribió:
Lo que si es cierto, es que van camino de ser las 5 pesetas 1957*59, con más visitas de la historia del foro, y eso que está en "modernas" y no en "contemporáneas". :piensa

¿JA había visto una moneda de 5 Ptas con reverso girados 180 grados?
Se si coloca una foto para mostrar que és igual.
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MensajeTema: Re: 5 Ptas 1957 *59   Vie 24 Jul 2015 - 18:05

Interesante moneda.
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MensajeTema: Re: 5 Ptas 1957 *59   Dom 9 Ago 2015 - 17:42

Yes indid, but if it was in someone hands it would be very rare and precious, because no one show another and even if there was another one both would be very interesting and rare.
So why this coin has no interest to colectors?
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MensajeTema: Re: 5 Ptas 1957 *59   Dom 9 Ago 2015 - 17:46

Movido a contemporaneas, lo dejo aquí un dia más.

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MensajeTema: Re: 5 Ptas 1957 *59   Lun 10 Ago 2015 - 0:13

Gracias Ben.
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MensajeTema: Re: 5 Ptas 1957 *59   Dom 16 Ago 2015 - 17:19

Hello there damas7,

I would not say this coin isn't a rare coin, on the other hand it is not a unique coin either. Any rotation of the obverse with respect to the reverse is obtained when one of the dies used in striking these coins isn't fixed properly and rotates. This way any rotation can be achieved from 1 degree up to 359 degrees. I will definitely state it is a rare coin indeed.

However having said all this, there used to be a market for errors and variants in coins, but I am afraid this market has dropped almost completely simply because when selling them they do not return the money invested in them.

This particular variant could still be interesting to a specialized collector but there are few of those nowadays and even if you manage to find one the coin is not in a mint uncirculated condition which would make it even harder to sell it for a good price.

I know this isn't what you had hoped for to hear but in my opinion it's the simple plain truth.

Good luck anyway in selling the coin.

Cheers, :beerc
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MensajeTema: Re: 5 Ptas 1957 *59   Dom 16 Ago 2015 - 21:24

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Hello there damas7,

I would not say this coin isn't a rare coin, on the other hand it is not a unique coin either. Any rotation of the obverse with respect to the reverse is obtained when one of the dies used in striking these coins isn't fixed properly and rotates. This way any rotation can be achieved from 1 degree up to 359 degrees. I will definitely state it is a rare coin indeed.

However having said all this, there used to be a market for errors and variants in coins, but I am afraid this market has dropped almost completely simply because when selling them they do not return the money invested in them.

This particular variant could still be interesting to a specialized collector but there are few of those nowadays and even if you manage to find one the coin is not in a mint uncirculated condition which would make it even harder to sell it for a good price.

I know this isn't what you had hoped for to hear but in my opinion it's the simple plain truth.

Good luck anyway in selling the coin.

Cheers, :beerc
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Thank you JO3023,

I agree with you but in a reflected opinion, a rare coin is a one that it is dificult to get another one look a like.
The market for it is another thing.
This coin is very rare until another coin is showed here and if it is another one it still two coins known.
I still waitt to see another one or more coins like mine.

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MensajeTema: Re: 5 Ptas 1957 *59   Lun 17 Ago 2015 - 0:16

A rare coin it is witout any doubt. I have such a rare coin too, the 2 Pesetas 1937 from Euzakdi struck with a medal alignment (180 degree rotation). The same as your 5 Pesetas. I am a specialised collector but even so I gave it a lot of thought buying the coin. I paid, you probably are eager to know, 150 euros for it but only because it was in an UNC condition. I also have an UNC 10 Céntimos 1959 with a medal alignment apart from other smaller rotations as well. For this piece I paid roughly 100 euros. Based on these prices and coin conditions you can roughly estimate what a specialised collector would pay for your coin. Collectors in Spain are used to these type of variants and are not prepared to pay a lot for it. And as commented before, at this moment there is no market for it.

The coin is certainly (very) rare, unique if you like if another one does not show up. But I am convinced sooner or later another one will turn up. I have an aluminum trial strike of a civil war coin from Segarra de Gaià. I thought it was the only one in existance since I never saw anotherone until very recently a second one was auctioned in Barcelona.

So if you want to sell it don't expect a lot for it. If you do not want to sell it because you think it is a rare and curious piece even better. You will not be dissapointed.

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MensajeTema: Re: 5 Ptas 1957 *59   Dom 23 Ago 2015 - 21:08

JO3023 escribió:
A rare coin it is witout any doubt. I have such a rare coin too, the 2 Pesetas 1937 from Euzakdi struck with a medal alignment (180 degree rotation). The same as your 5 Pesetas. I am a specialised collector but even so I gave it a lot of thought buying the coin. I paid, you probably are eager to know, 150 euros for it but only because it was in an UNC condition. I also have an UNC 10 Céntimos 1959 with a medal alignment apart from other smaller rotations as well. For this piece I paid roughly 100 euros. Based on these prices and coin conditions you can roughly estimate what a specialised collector would pay for your coin. Collectors in Spain are used to these type of variants and are not prepared to pay a lot for it. And as commented before, at this moment there is no market for it.

The coin is certainly (very) rare, unique if you like if another one does not show up. But I am convinced sooner or later another one will turn up. I have an aluminum trial strike of a civil war coin from Segarra de Gaià. I thought it was the only one in existance since I never saw anotherone until very recently a second one was auctioned in Barcelona.

So if you want to sell it don't expect a lot for it. If you do not want to sell it because you think it is a rare and curious piece even better. You will not be dissapointed.

Cheers,
JO3023


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Thanks Jo.
We will wait until find out another one, if these coins are not rare what is rare? The quality factor or the quantity factor?

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